MH370: A Somewhat Exhaustive Story

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
06/22/2019 at 20:25 • Filed to: None

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I found this interesting, and I hope you will also. I’m not a big enough aviation fanboi to poke holes in any of the story, and there’s a bunch of what I’d call human interest that I could do without, but the story seems to largely add up.

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DISCUSSION (16)

John Norris (AngryDrifter) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/22/2019 at 20:44

With time comes clarity. I expect there is more that will be learned, but it seems they are getting closer to what happened.

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Well the cat’ s out of the bag for the Malaysia Airlines Pilots Wives Club. I’ll bet Mr. Quotable P ilot has been voted off the island by his peers.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > John Norris (AngryDrifter)
06/22/2019 at 20:54

I knew a guy who worked for Goodyear and they took a group to Indy one year. There was a big truck and they set up a little barbeque on the top of the truck and invited a few girls to join them. And the Goodyear blimp zoomed in on them and the commentator said, “Well those guys look like they’re having fun!”

I guess there were some long faces in the shop on Monday morning.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/22/2019 at 21:16

This is the second time I’ve read the article this week and...it’s just such a hard mindset to get into that pointing the finger at the pilot makes it a tough pill to swallow. Most people can understand an act of suicide, h eck even using a plane (or a car) to assist it...but the thought of taking several, or several hundred, other strangers with you? That’s inconceivable. Yet it happens, time and again.

I wish there was a better way to get inside his head. If he wanted to crash, why not do it immediately after he took control? Why wait for the plane to essentially run out of fuel? Did he actually kill himself before the final crash and, if so, why not just do it with a gun in his house instead of a plane full of people? And of course, all it takes is just one of those passengers to have been someone “important” to someone, to get all the conspiracy theories going.

It’s one of these scenarios that makes perfect sense but also doesn’t. We have just enough information, but not really enough. It really will be the mystery of our time, I believe.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
06/22/2019 at 21:18

I think so also. What they profer is plausible enough to stand as a possibility, though likely we will never know, as you have said.

DipodomysDeserti > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind
06/22/2019 at 21:25

If the guy was suicidal, none of his decisions would have been logical.

He also could have just been a huge asshole, suicidal or not.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/22/2019 at 21:52

This story is mostly about Gibson and is hot garbage.

Nick Has an Exocet > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/23/2019 at 00:34

Part of me wonders if he tried a D.B. Cooper - knocked out all the passengers, robbed them of anything valuable, then made a jump for Campbell Bay. Pilots carry on their belongings and I don’t think it would be hard to get a parachute past Malaysian security. Risky yes, but if you’re feeling like you need a reboot on life, I could see someone trying it. I feel like that explains why he simulated the plane running out of fuel. A 777 can dump it’s fuel (article doesn’t explain that).

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/db-cooper-hijacking

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW
06/23/2019 at 00:52

Flesh that out for me?

DipodomysDeserti > Nick Has an Exocet
06/23/2019 at 01:22

Yeah, considering how much cash people carry on them nowadays, that commercial airline pilot could have made a killing...

Definitely worth a high altitude dive into the Indian Ocean.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/23/2019 at 04:34

i’ve been following along with this story.

it’s bizarre (to me anyway) that a plane that large is still missing

local commenter in newspaper, an ex- pilot believed from the start of searching off the Australian coast that they were looking in the wrong spot. with two failed searches he’s got a far better idea than the ATSB who organised the first failed search

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/23/2019 at 13:12

I don’t disagree with his conclusions- the Malaysian government hasn’t been forthcoming with complete and accurate information, and Zaharie is the most likely cause of the crash.

However, I felt like Gibson’s story wasn’t relevant to the 2nd point, and contained a lot of information that wasn’t relevant to the first point, either.

Then he turns around and eliminates the theory that it was an accident with some hand waving- *that* part of the story could have easily been a lot more convincing.

Add in some hyperbole in describing a few things the author doesn’t like (without elaborating on them), and it rubbed me the wrong way.

The Flight Simulator info has long been intriguing to me - and has always been the closest thing to a smoking gun we have. I wonder whether the sim info just follows the same rough path, or closely mimics the climbs, descents, and turns. If the latter, then I think it’s pretty damn solid evidence, even if it is circumstantial.

Tl;dr -the Malaysian government is certainly covering up info related to the crash; Zaharie probably did it; but satisfying the first conclusion does *not* necessarily mean that the 2nd is true.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > pip bip - choose Corrour
06/23/2019 at 18:39

A good friend who flew for the US Navy and hunted submarines believed they’d never find it. You have to look at a globe to realize how much of the earth is covered by the Indian Ocean.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW
06/23/2019 at 18:46

Thank you for filling that in for me. Is Gibson a writer you’re familiar with already?

I found myself skimming a lot because I don’t need to be told about the minute-to-minute lives of the passengers and crew; drama akin to click bait, IMHO. The piece did strike me as about as exhaustive as anything I’ve read, and it’s been quoted by a number of other aggregators.

I’m an aviation fan and will be one of the better pilots who never flew once I’ve shed my mortal coil. The suggested sequence of events, the climb to snuff the passengers, et cetera, seemed to add up. I’ve read conspiracy theories that the airplane wound up in a w are house somewhere...

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/23/2019 at 19:11

William Langewiesche is the writer - he’ s fairly well known in aviation circles. His father, Wolfgang, is a legend, and wrote at least 1 book that is an absolute must read for pilots ( Stick and Rudder).

I haven’t read much of William’s work really - I know I have, but don’t have any specific recollections about it.

That piece is exhaustive on Gibson ( The guy collecting MH 370 parts), and that’s interesting but belongs in a separate article I think.

Completely agree on parts describing the passengers being clickbaity.

This article could have been muc h better if he had filled in the blanks I mentioned - and I think he could have, too.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW
06/23/2019 at 21:16

I’m guessing that Gibson is someone you are also familiar with. I went straight for the technical pieces and flight paths and all of that and skimmed over the hyperbole and what not. Partly, also, the story is a bit fatiguing because I feel convinced that the airplane is in particles on the bottom of the ocean somewhere and let’s get on with it. It seems to me that we have an epidemic in the world of people who are not satisfied with killing merely themselves, but want to take a bunch of innocents with them, and it troubles me.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
06/23/2019 at 23:44

I’m not familiar with Gibson. Once they started finding parts washing up on shore, I was mostly interested in how they were verifying that they were from that specific aircraft, and how the currents suggested where the plane might be.

Once that happened, it was a given that the airplane was at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, and there’s no need to sell me on that.

I suspect we’ve always had people who wanted to commit suicide and take others with them - but in this day and age, it’s easier to verify that’s what happened, and they can take more people with them all to easily. A shame.